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irishlove9
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« Thread Started on Apr 1, 2009, 1:47pm » | |
I was wanting to know what people thought about Notre Dame's decision on Obama being ND's speaker during graduation this year?? Are you for or against it and why?
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« Reply #1 on Apr 1, 2009, 2:17pm » | |
I am against it. Notre Dame is a Catholic institution. The official Catholic teaching is to be oppose abortion. On some issues, there should never be any giving in. More and more, it seems, Notre Dame is becoming more secular and rebelling against Rome. Soon, it will not even be recognizable as being Catholic. Obama is pro choice. On that issue, Notre Dame should not give in. Zach Hillesland, recently, in his New York Times blog, criticized those at Notre Dame who oppose Obama coming to Notre Dame. Everyone should have an opinion. Mine is that Obama should not have been invited based on his opposing the Catholic Churche's teaching on abortion. American Catholics who oppose the teaching - just become a Protestant!
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« Reply #2 on Apr 25, 2009, 10:41am » | |
OBAMA stands for: ONE BIG ASS MISTAKE AMERICA.
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« Reply #3 on Jun 8, 2009, 11:00am » | |
I was for Obama speaking at ND's graduation. I'm catholic and I'm for the stem cell research.. I guess that is also because I'm also really big into science and seeing what stem cell's can do to help people live a better life with curing cancer or disease's that are killing people. There needs to be a common ground on all the situations that people agree on and disagree about just so that people can have a healthy happy life!! I guess its all in how you as a person feel about situations like this.. Everyone has their own opinion no matter the situation is.
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« Reply #4 on Jun 8, 2009, 4:36pm » | |
I agree with you irishlove9. I'm also Catholic but disagree with many of the church's 19th century ways. There are way too many hard-headed catholics out there who don't seem to even want to hear the other side of the story.
We can go on and on about the many issues between catholics and Obama but that's for another day and another message board.
Obama is a fine man and having him speak at ND was the right thing to do. I had a nephew who graduated that same day. The people I've heard from who were in attendance said it was a beautiful day. Whether you agree with him or not should not be the issue at all.
Does everything always have to be so one-sided with us catholics?
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« Reply #5 on Jun 11, 2009, 4:01pm » | |
I believe some things are definite and black and white. The problem, today, is that we try to over-intellectualize things and muddle, morally, the situation. For example, in the liberal, academic community, there is a push to accept being gay as normal. For one, percentage-wise, it is abnormal. Secondly, make no mistake about it, the Christian Bible makes it clear that a man shall not lay with a man and a woman shall not lay with a woman. So, does that sound like it is supportive of being gay or lesbian? Absolutely not. Yet, there is a nun at Notre Dame who sits on the women's basketball team bench that supports gays and lesbians.
I believe more Roman Catholics need to take a moral stand against abortion. They need to take a stand against anything that does not support life. I think the moral thing to do is to take a stand against abortion and also against war. Watered down, American Catholic belief has to stop. And, yes, I do think it is an American Catholic problem. Thank God no American has been a Pope yet. Can you imagine how diluted morals would be then?
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« Reply #6 on Jun 12, 2009, 2:18pm » | |
I'm not totally against anything. There are always two sides to every issue.
A 16 year old girl who gets raped can have an abortion if you ask me. Same goes for some 19 year old drug addict.
And I'm usually against war too........Usually..............But how many of us wanted to bomb the daylights out of any middle east country affter 9-11?
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« Reply #7 on Jun 12, 2009, 2:27pm » | |
There should be two sides to every issue.. if there wasn't then when would always have a one sided way of how to decide about different issues then that isn't far to people. I think people just need to be more open about situations and not just go by what is going on in the world. We as people have our own mind and our own ways of thinking so use it. Just don't go by what someone says back in the B.C. era and think that is how it needs to be in the 21 century. I think people just need to be more open to things so that there isn't so many people bumping heads. I'm Roman Catholic and I'm for things that traditional Catholics are against but I guess that because I want to see people who have cancer be cured by ways that can be used like stem cells.. There are multiple ways to use stem cells to help cure disease just not one. People just have to have an open-mind about situations these days!!!
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« Reply #8 on Jun 12, 2009, 5:08pm » | |
I'm catholic and went to catholic schools all through grade school and 4 years of high school.
I don't like being called immoral if I don't go by what was pounded into my head by nuns and priests all my life.
I think the way I want to think.
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« Reply #9 on Sept 7, 2009, 11:05am » | |
I know this isn't a very timely post, but Notre Dame invited Obama to speak to its graduates as President not because of his views. There is nothing that is black and white...every situation has two sides and you can be on one side or the other or you can be on niether.
Obama's views on abortion and stem cell research, in my opinion, are spot on. This country has seen what it is like to have a ban on abortion. Women are killed because they are backed into a corner and feel as if there is no other choice than to go to some back alley doctor to be able to have control over their own bodies.
On stem cell research, shame on anyone opposed to this. The embryos that are being used are headed to be destroyed regardless of what is done with it in the meantime. This research could go on to save the lives of billions upon billions upon billions of lives.
Just something to think about...there's gray everywhere.
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